Say More

Big ideas and big debates, explained through intimate conversations with the compelling personalities who shape them. AI and biotech. Higher education and health care. Climate and sustainability. Politics and the media. Culture and culture wars. Hosted by Boston Globe columnist Shirley Leung.

The C-Word: She was 28 when she was diagnosed with cancer. She’s not alone.
May 29, 2025 – 34:48
The C-Word: When cancer runs in the family
May 22, 2025 – 32:36
The C-Word: She was a cancer doctor. She hid her cancer for 10 years.
May 15, 2025 – 31:32
The C-Word: Dr. Siddhartha Mukherjee wrote the book on cancer
May 8, 2025 – 30:15
The C-Word: Let’s talk about cancer – starting with my own.
May 1, 2025 – 30:15
Ken Burns tackles the complexities of the Revolutionary War
Apr 24, 2025 – 28:54
Introducing ‘Spotlight: Snitch City’
Apr 17, 2025 – 55:34
Why cops are addicted to confidential informants: The Globe investigates Snitch City.
Apr 10, 2025 – 32:12
Say More LIVE: Mayor Wu on The Joy and Challenges of Being a Working Mom
Mar 30, 2025 – 32:04
Canadians are really upset, Americans should pay attention.
Mar 27, 2025 – 28:39
How Massachusetts became the Lottery Capital of America
Mar 19, 2025 – 32:54
Trump’s China policy? Jane Perlez says “I don’t think anybody knows.”
Mar 13, 2025 – 26:24
Republicans Vs. Mayor Wu. Who won?
Mar 7, 2025 – 25:52
Dr. Ashish Jha says experts made serious mistakes during the COVID pandemic
Feb 27, 2025 – 34:06
Murder or Suicide? Breaking the Sandra Birchmore Story
Feb 20, 2025 – 29:46
Boston’s Mayor Had a Baby In an Election Year, Will it Help Her or Hurt Her?
Feb 12, 2025 – 28:51
Alcohol is Actually Bad for You, and other Lessons from ‘Damp January’
Feb 6, 2025 – 24:16
Jenny Boylan on Humanizing the Trans Experience
Jan 30, 2025 – 29:49
Are We Ready for Trump 2.0? A Boston Globe Roundtable
Jan 23, 2025 – 29:46
THE COMMENT SECTION: When Pets Die. Readers Shared Their Stories.
Jan 16, 2025 – 33:45
How Will We Remember Biden? Transformation or Failure?
Jan 9, 2025 – 29:52
When Power and Diversity Clash at Harvard
Jan 2, 2025 – 30:52
RERUN: Amy Tan is Obsessed with Birds
Dec 26, 2024 – 38:28
Health Insurance Anger is Boiling Over
Dec 19, 2024 – 28:00
The Reporter Behind the Shelby Hewitt Story
Dec 12, 2024 – 29:18
Josh Foer Wants Us to be Curious about Everything
Dec 5, 2024 – 23:44
BONUS: WBUR's The Common: A vibe check on Boston nightlife
Dec 2, 2024 – 31:03
Connie Chung Has More to Say
Nov 21, 2024 – 31:40
Should Democrats be Freaking Out? A Boston Globe roundtable.
Nov 14, 2024 – 27:33
What The Election Was About. Globe Opinion Has Thoughts.
Nov 7, 2024 – 24:47
He Bought the Celtics to Win a Championship or Die Trying
Oct 31, 2024 – 26:27
Dan Shaughnessy on the Best Sports Story Ever Told
Oct 24, 2024 – 30:22
Protests, Arrests, and a Free Speech Crisis on Campus
Oct 17, 2024 – 32:27
Phil Eng Says the MBTA is the “Best in the World.” Is he Crazy?
Oct 9, 2024 – 30:51
How to be a Better Boymom
Oct 3, 2024 – 27:22
THE COMMENT SECTION: You Wrote In, We Listened
Sep 26, 2024 – 28:54
Sebastian Junger Nearly Died. It Changed His Life.
Sep 19, 2024 – 27:46
50 Years Ago, Busing Rocked East Boston. Two Best Friends Remember.
Sep 12, 2024 – 27:42
Should Kids Play Tackle Football? A Concussion Expert Has Thoughts
Sep 5, 2024 – 33:46
Glenn Loury Shares Confessions of a Black Conservative
Aug 29, 2024 – 31:27
Decoding AI: What Happens When AI Decides Your Medical Coverage
Aug 22, 2024 – 25:49
Nate Silver on Politics, Poker, and Risking it All
Aug 15, 2024 – 30:04
Who is Tim Walz? Globe Opinion reacts
Aug 8, 2024 – 27:47
RERUN: Boys and Men Are Struggling. How Do We Help Them?
Jul 31, 2024 – 34:11
Why Boston said NO to Hosting the 2024 Olympics
Jul 24, 2024 – 29:13
Is NPR Having an Existential Crisis?
Jul 18, 2024 – 26:57
Karen Read Case: What’s Next?
Jul 11, 2024 – 24:54
BEATING BURNOUT: How I Learned to Just Say NO
Jul 3, 2024 – 27:27
BEATING BURNOUT: Emily Nagoski Connects Sex and Stress
Jun 26, 2024 – 28:50
BEATING BURNOUT: Krista Tippett on the Power of Getting Quiet
Jun 19, 2024 – 29:21

Recent Reviews

BakingNinja

Great conversation

Really appreciated the first episode on cancer - hugely insightful, empathetic, and humane.
Logical Thinker 2

Mediocre Libs Without Insight

Tried to listen to the “war on the administrative state” episode. Recognizing that noted deep thinker Shirley Leung was absent, this one was really bad. Lots of feelings and vibes and straw men and very shallow analysis. No understanding of separation of powers and administrative law. Apparently the guest went to law school, not sure if it was ABA accredited. Then tried the Karen Read episode. Shirley has a perfect voice for a newspaper. She really should say less because it’s mostly fluff. Then tried yet again with the Biden biographer with the effeminate and annoying voice. Mild criticism of Brandon but after as if he was a competent President, which is beyond belief.
Bcm7

Not worth it

If you want to be lectured by a liberal who uses a lot of buzzwords this is the podcast for you!
HeatherSB_76

Best host!

Excellent podcast. Shirley is a curious listener, and her questions are often exactly what I am wondering - except for when she’s a few steps ahead of me, in which case I love coming along for the ride.
JnE 2010

Great podcast!

If you are a parent of boys, I highly recommend the Boys and Men Are Struggling episode. It definitely made me think differently about my parenting methods.
737392943

So boring

This podcast is so boring. I can’t imagine more than 10 people listen to it. I think it may have been canceled already.
P Cadogan 258

Blowing smoke

Leftist views works for a left wing rag. If this is your thing great but know for lying the rag called the Boston Globe.
Hankstnch

Kara Swisher

Shirley, excellent podcast with Kara Swisher!! Would love to hear from some local Pol’s…. Michelle W. Maura H. Elizabeth W. Joe M. Etc. We really like your podcast. Mike B.
Jim Hull MA

Superb insightful analysis and reporting

Shirley is a highly intelligent and skillful reporter and her interviews are always thoughtful and informative I really look forward to each podcast and her columns for her thoughts on business and culture. Great work!
Patty from Chestnut Hill

Say more

Shirley, I am a big fan! Attended many of your webinars, read your articles all the time, and now, this amazing podcast. Every episode has been so interesting and engaging. Keep up the great work.
Gabe Murchison

Boring

The host sound so vapid. IQ of a potato
Madmanjm

Awful. Ear poisen

This woman and the outfit she works for are notorious for feeding people false information. They are far left extremists who are intolerant of opposing views.
ltrain61

Say More with Shirley Leung

As one of Shirley Leung’s Boston Globe colleagues, I am biased. But as a regular listener of news-focused podcasts, I can honestly say you will learn a lot from her new “Say More” show. You’ll also live longer and make more money.* *Satisfaction not guaranteed. Conditions apply. No refunds.
#8#24

Interview

Just listened to good interview with Shirley on GBH Boston. She describes her upcoming pod which sounds stimulating and thought provoking. Eager to check this out